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Since the After Dark group (while private) still shows the name that we use on FB I fear that many are not ready to open up and really discussing topics that could be worth while.

To help with this, I would like to open my website up for these discussions. What is the difference? Well You can get a free account with IntenseDebate using whatever username (alias) that you wish.

I can also test accounts built just for use here, but that would mean that you would have to trust me enough to create the username for you.

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I am going to create another post where you can add comments with topics that you would like to discuss. If you have posts that you would like me to publish for you, you can email them to me and I can post them using whatever by line that you wish.

Artificial Intelligence and Sex

A couple of times a day as part of my job, I flip through my Twitter feed looking for the emergence of cyber security threats. Sometimes, some of the entertainment/technology feeds bring some fun topics.

It is expected that very soon, 2025 I think, we will be faced with a series or ethical and legal dilemmas.

We are about to enter an age that will include robotic involved sex.


Yes, we current;y have a phenomenal amount of toys, photos, videos, etc. There are those that have opted to include console games for their sexual pleasure as well.

Now, as artificial intelligence, cyberskin, and robotics march down this road, how long will it be before we will have to look at legal issues?


Currently in Washington, there are two or more parties; one the prostitute, and the john(s). The johns being the simple customer of the prostitute, fine. The prostitute must be a person to meet the other part of the crime. So if the pimp is offering up a bevy of robotic beauties, where is the crime? The viable objection to prostitution has always been the victimization of the sex worker. Once you take the person out of the equation, what do you have? Just the moral aspect of a married person? what is they are single?

To criminalize the act, you would have to make an AI robotic a person. That seems legally almost as intriguing as the ethical/moral aspects.

Are we ready to give computerized devices rights?


Ashley Madison – really?

Since the media is saturated, why not add my two cents worth?

As a cyber security professional I may view things a little differently.

So we have a site (others as well) that caters to cheating. Is it  a shock? It shouldn’t be, there are sites for pretty much everything.

As you probably already have gathered via that media saturation as the world things that this is FAR more important than any other world issue a site that is devoted to aiding people in cheating on those that they love. That site was broken into OR had an insider blow the whistle on the whole shebang.  At this point there are some clues that lead us to believe that the breach revealed far too much to be the result of a break in. That the data is too complete.

so we have:

  • a breech of security

The breach may have been an inside job, so that is an interesting series of bit in my feeds. (@Pissed0ffPirate (that is a zero) if you want to follow me on Twitter)

  • release of confidential material

We get to see a list of people who are not so smart. This list has people who never thought of the worst, are naive, or just plain dumb. We are seeing claims of those who claim that they were set up. I suppose that it is possible that they could have been, only the individual would know the truth.

  • suicides

As of today, I am aware of three suicides being attributed to the release of the data. Is this worth ending one’s life? (I think I have a suicide post around here somewhere) Why not either fix your relationship or move on and try for a new one?

  • lawsuits

We are seeing legal actions already starting. I don’t know how many of these will remain individual actions or if they will be forced into one or a few class action lawsuits.

  • sextortion

For those that made the decision to wander this path, and someone tries to extort or blackmail you… just fess up. Your spouse/significant other is going to find out. No doubt about it. Just step up and work through it. (you may have to end it, but at least you don’t have the stress or financial losses)

  • further relationship issues

At some point down the road, there will be studies and surveys that will show how many relationship and families were affected by this, but right now it is too early to tell.

  • potential FTC action

With Ashley Madison defrauding it’s clients with fake female accounts and poor cyber security practices will the FTC have a field day with their sorry asses?

Since the courts have just given the FTC that authority, I am expecting tremendous scrutiny and fines.

  • issues I have forgotten or did not think of

some of the data is showing 20 million guys checked their Ashley Madison email, but only 1492 women did… those are some really slim odds of getting tail. that tail also has to be really tired and like tossing that hot dog down a hallway. With the site creating a ton of bogus accounts to give the semblance of women to meet, it seems like plain fraud and dirty pool. Remember that I see quite a bit of spam for other sites and the names  and locations change for the women’s images. We know that there have been cases where pictures of women have been harvested from the web/facebook and used by these types of sites.

As a man, I have a pretty strong belief that any near average or better woman that would like to spend some time between the sheets (or on/in  a car, stairwell, rooftop, back yard, wherever) with a man, all they need to do is let it be known and they could even take auditions if they wanted.

Erect Nipples – what do you think ladies?

Women know very well that many of us men get entranced by erect nipples. We become very easily distracted, have a difficult time maintaining our train of thought.
The wonderbra and other padded bras like that really kill the joys of a chilly day.

Nothing new there right?

My question is geared to for the ladies.
Do you also have this distraction? Are you enticed by a man (or woman if that is your preference) who has hard nipples pressing through their shirt?

While I have the laddies’ attention, are you intentionally hiding those lovely nipples from us?

Go Topless or Not?

Okay, this last Sunday was a day of Go Topless protests around the world.

I have heard women of all ages, mid teens to well matured ladies, question why men (and many women for that matter) find breasts attractive.

It is a good question, one that I do not have an answer for. I will admit that I am not that concerned why.

The ladies’ argument was that they are just fatty tissue and no big deal.


Now if it is that nonchalant then why is the double standard in place to allow men to go topless but not women.

As we push further and further into equality, then why is this still an issue?

The only rationale that makes sense to me for the objection is low female.


What do you think? what other reasons can you think of to deny equality?

Perhaps you have arguments for equality…


Can homosexuality be an adaptive behavior?

Before I start, this is not a debate on being gay as a choice or birth in general. This is a discussion on a specific scenario.


I was in the “outdoors research center” at the office with a friend was relaying a situation with a relative.

The relative (let’s call her Lisa for simplicity) is a big girl.

She is also young, a minor in fact and she likes boys.

The downside is that her perception, real or not, is that her weight leaves her unattractive to those boys.

In this process of desire and lack of reciprocation she has decided that she is lesbian, bi-sexual at least.

This brought me to wonder if and how often people (I suspect predominantly women) choose by being adaptive to be gay.

While I am supportive of the community, I am not a member so I am quite a bit out of the loop. Perhaps some of our friends may have more insight to share on this.

Do you know people in this situation? (are YOU in a similar situation?)

Do they seem happy in general or does there seem to be a longing to spend their time and intimacy with someone of the opposite gender.

Has anyone seen any studies on this aspect of homosexuality?


Gay Marriage; States rights, federal rights, or human rights

By Eyes_open


As the Supreme Court takes on the issue of California’s Proposition 8, and the federal DOMA, and Jeb Bush weighs in that he believes marriage should be a states rights issue, where do you stand on the issue of same-sex marriage, and why. Is it a matter that should be left to each state, should the federal government be involved and to what degree. Or is this a constitutional violation of civil rights, placing it in the hands of the Supreme Court.

Childhood sexuality – what is abnormal at four and five?

There is a case about a pre-school in California being shut down for lack of supervision.
Okay I get that part, we must have our children watched properly.

Let’s get something out there right off the bat… I am not advocating sexual abuse, let alone abusing kids. This disussion or more on sexuality in general.

Part of what I don’t get, and I hope that someone among us is better trained to asner my other questions, is the sexual aspects that were in play.

These four and five year old children woudl engage in frequent oral sex.
People are freaking out over it and I just want a better understanding.
Our culture has expectations on when one is old enough to start engaging in sexual encounters.

My education in psycology is limited to my Psych 101 class, anything beyond that is just general readon and observation. So, I am NOT qualified to do more an theorize about the situation.

We know that humans are sexual creatures. Sexuality starts long before adults want it to. Masturbation begins in diapers. We expect (or dream for) our daughters to be virginal until marriage in their 20-30’s.

As I read ABC’s article, they mentioned how these kids are being sexualized too early and “That their lives will be ruined in many ways.” Really? ruined? No, the parents are over-reacting, if the kids were being urged to engage in these behaviors, or were being shown how, I would have a much different stance on this.

“During nap time, the aides would be sleeping and the children would have been molesting each other during this time.” When it is age appropriate (referring to the difference in age between the parties, not the behavior itself) is it really molesting? Since it sounds like it was all consensual within the group. We of course have laws that dictate when consent can apply. My discussion here is more on the kids themselves. They are in an innocent age, and they do not know shame yet. They have not been indoctinated in what is acceptable and what is not yet. They are pure little humans.

WHile we want to guide them out of this behavior, and to follow our social expectations, is this situation getting blown (forgive the inintentional pun please) way out of proportion.

I would really appreciate the input of more qualified individuals in the areas of child psycology and early human development/education to bring more persppective on this. I would also like to hear from preschool educators on how often they have to redirect kids for trying to explore in this direction.


Major over-reaction. Alot of flap about 50 Shades of Grey

Sometimes the headlines yield some odd bits, but can dovetail into a better bigger discussion.

How many in our group and around have read 50 Shades? I know Gigglez has.

At the beginning it looked like a case of bad publicity was good publicity. It seemed as though the books would have slid quietly under the radar had the conservative crowd just let it all go.

As usual we saw a big to-do made. Gigglez seemed to follow Stephen King’s philosophy on the series. King said that if they want to ban a book, the first thing you should do is go read the book and find out what they are wanting to prevent you from reading. She whipped through the trilogy in no time (thank you Nook).

This series has outsold Harry Potter, to be the fastest selling paperback of all time.

I have heard and seen references to the trilogy as it is the long sought after owners manual for women.

This book is on my list of “to-read’s”.

Gigglez and I took a walkabout in Portland, and happened to give ourselves a 50 Shades tour. several points of interest form the books. Spartacus had a list of goodies from the books with quotes of their use. There appears to be a shortage of Ben Wa balls and other tool/toys.

I am not sure if I agree with Time listing E. L. James as one of the “100 Most Influential People in the World”. That seems a bit of a reach. But welcome to mommy-porn, perhaps it IS that influential after all.

What have you been seeing on the 50 Shades subject? Has it opened your eyes to different views, given you more reason to play differently?

Oh not to mention what started this post…


Loser seems to have gotten a bit upset… I wonder if he really KNEW anything about the series or not, or is he just another repressed fuqtard. I cannot see how that reaction is anywhere near reason. It did not sound like she left him over it though. Dump his stupid ass lady!