Government Oppression

At what point does our government slip from a republic to a police state?

There is an argument that during the Bush years it had slid to more of a monarchy (yes, even with Congress in place.)

So where does this question come from? Well this week we had the protest at the Walmart distribution center where the local police brought out an LRAD (Long Range Audio Device) and it was used as a threat against the protesters. LRAD are deployed on cruise and merchant ships to repel pirates. They will damage the ears and make you physically ill. It is my understanding that they can be fatal if used incorrectly (or perhaps I should say in a manner not for crowd dispersing).

While I was reading more about the LRAD, I found that the Chicago police have one and threatened to use it at the G-8/NATO meeting protest. The Pittsburgh police have one and they actually did deploy it against citizens that were protesting the G-20 meeting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV88Ndffr1c You can hear what it sounds like there.  This over-reaction has resulted in lawsuit over the hearing damage to bystanders. LRAD have been provided all over the country for use against citizens.  http://www.infowars.com/lrad-sonic-weapons-to-be-deployed-throughout-america-for-crises/

I also discovered a military field manual that was disturbing as a vet, and a citizen.

http://info.publicintelligence.net/USAMPS-CivilDisturbanceOps.pdf

I still have to finish reading this manual, but to this point, I have to wonder where our government is going.

Before you start the Obama bashing, this manual was put into place in 2006, during Baby Bush’s reign. Of course some blame is to be had, but not stopping it after taking office.

We are seeing the pendulum swing back to the direction of the government and local police departments. Rights are under assault, but our legislators are useless fucks and don’t give a shit. Their short dicked club, is in it for their best interests, not the country’s.

We have to pay attention, speak, and be heard.

Why should our military be planning on killing citizens on us soil?

We know that we found out about their exercises to seize the firearms from citizens if we were to get too uppity about illegal immigrants.  They yielded when it was leaked and changed the exercise. Fuck you, government you work for us. You have gotten too big, you are reaching too far, you are spending too much overseas, hell you are spending too much in general.

You are to protect the citizenry, not make plans to eliminate it should it exercise its rights.

17 thoughts on “Government Oppression”

  1. UGH!!!
    Due to your link(s) above, I just spent an hour watching a bunch of G20/G8/etc "Riot?" video .. It So reminds me of back in My Day (late 60s/early 70s .. hippie/anti-war/civil-rights/w00h00 "riots") ..
    I was Young, Idealistic, "political', and invulnerable, and Right In The Middle of that same kinda stuff .. heh!
    "They" didn't use LRAD back then .. But, 'they' did have "Puke Gas" .. That was a real crowd pleaser .. LOL (Visualize 5,000 radical hippies, and Many innocent bystanders Puking their guts out all over the university commons .. wheeeeeeee)
    … Totally mixed emotions about this whole thing.

  2. I think that technically, and arguably, we've always been a police state by virtue of being a society who finds it needs police. (As obviously most do).

    Is there a better and more specific definition of police state?

    anyway, certainly, it seems that its getting worse. As with just about anything we can look at in our capitalistic free market society, if the question is… "why is X happening?" chances are, for some powerful group out there, X is profitable.

    The drone manufactures are presently licking their chops! Oooh goodie! Between border patrol and so many localities looking to pick up speeding ticketing revenue, the drone market is set to explode!

    But our war on drugs has been a boon for the makers and action hero types that like to play with grown up toys… all at tax payer expense.

    And now, I present for your viewing pleasure, some "Police State Pornography":

    <img src="http://revolutionaryfrontlines.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/policestateusa.jpeg"&gt;

    <img src="http://www.extremumspiritum.com/images/2011/07/tank.jpg"&gt;

    <img src="https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT3hd7ETzWE53-OyzoUlDcQA28mi1PX220c58rG7zAr1MXunqXEjA"&gt;

    <img src="https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4zbsf1R8-8B3uNzc_-pMqzfQ8CfVUyQVzuuJBk34gJPMlC88mpg"&gt;

    <img src="https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnz1Pwe2jA6hidJY1hrDiQJK4p5DdKOvEZAcnoXOayPkN5N7xpCw"&gt;

    <img src="http://www.standupamericaus.org/sua/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/militarized-police-puppetgov.jpg"&gt;

    1. "Is there a better and more specific definition of police state? " Yes

      There is a big difference between a society that has police to keep the peace and investigated/stop crime, and a society where police are firing on law abiding citizens who are speaking their mind in opposition to the governments standing policies of the moment. The former is a free society, the later is a police state. The mere presents of a standing police force doesn't make it a police state.

      Or put more simply, in a free society, police work for the citizens, in a police state the police work for the government to subdue the citizens.

      ""why is X happening?" chances are, for some powerful group out there, X is profitable." In this case, X is the government and it has less to do with the free capitalistic market, and more to do with the government wanting to control the "government sponsored" market as well as the politics and citizenry.

      Nice pics, but they are all staged, I've been to the site where they can be found as "stock" photos, for a price. Two of them were originally from sales brochures, and at least three more were out takes from Hollywood movies that were left on the cutting room floor.

        1. "you dispute these pics??! "

          NO! They are without a doubt pictures…. Yep no dispute there.

          And stock photo's are used all over the place, I'm sure google would come up with a google of them if anyone searched.

          The second article is talking about a police department leasing trucks without informing the county treasurer. How is that such a big deal? and the trucks they least could have been bought by any civilian at the local GM dealership.

          The first one I agree with to a degree, police are getting more like military everyday, but then again so are a lot of the criminal organizations they have to deal with. Then there is the argument that decades ago people complained that the police weren't professional enough, so they have gotten better trained and better equipped and now people are complaining that they are too well trained and too well equipped. Police ARE civilian soldiers, charged with keeping the peace, when should they be told that they aren't allowed to have equipment equivalent to the criminals they are going after? I think we should be more concerned with making sure they are properly trained and that they have proper psychological evaluations than with the equipment they have available.

          1. I think we should be more concerned with making sure they are properly trained and that they have proper psychological evaluations than with the equipment they have available.

            I don't like false choices… situations where I am presented with notions such as "Well do you think X is true? If so, then you must be on board with Y…"

            I 100% agree that we should have properly equipped police. Luckily, that's a problem we can solve simply by throwing money at it.

            But to make sure that our officers are the right type of people? Good luck! That is approximately as challenging as insuring that our teachers are the right quality.

            But nonetheless, I agree we should try.

            So here's the false choice: I agree with you about these two things, but that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to the natural human tendency to exploit opportunity and profit from all kinds of situations… including what effectively amounts to be an "arms race" between criminals and police. A balance should be sought with how well we arm the cops. Knowing that there can always be more, and more will always be sought by a certain element… the element that profits from it.

            these are like laws of physics. But its laws of human nature. If there's profit in it… some people will want to make it so.

          2. “”you dispute these pics??! ” NO! They are without a doubt pictures…. Yep no dispute there. And stock photo's are used all over the place, I'm sure google would come up with a google of them if anyone searched.”ROFL… that was painful… trying to stay quiet and not disturb my cohorts… Stuff is always funnier when you have to be quiet.

      1. ""why is X happening?" chances are, for some powerful group out there, X is profitable." In this case, X is the government and it has less to do with the free capitalistic market, and more to do with the government wanting to control the "government sponsored" market as well as the politics and citizenry.

        Don't put blinders on, Mr. Eyes. I agree that Government is playing part of the fundamental role, but these big toys cost MONEY. The American Tax Payer is footing the bill. But who is raking in the profits? Not politicians, directly. Government's partner in this dance is not-so-free enterprise.

        Just because we have a form of capitalism here, doesn't mean we have the most freedom-oriented capitalism… don't confuse profit-centric capitalism with actual free enterprise. You have to remember, free enterprise isn't the most profitable way to go.

        1. Politicians are given kick backs (under the table) to get the funding to buy TOYS from certain manufacturers in their area, etc, etc. I'm not blind to any of this corruption. But if the government was removed from the loop, the corruption would be less. Yes big business would make money to become bigger business, but that is the way it works. Would you really expect to have big business turn down customers so their competitors would stay equal to them? Would you? If you sold cars at a dealership, and you were the best in town, would you start opening up only one day a week so that the other dealerships would make more profit?

          1. Politicians are given kick backs (under the table) And not so under the table. Its called election funding.

            But if the government was removed from the loop, the corruption would be less. If government was out of the loop in the role of policing the nation? They are THE exclusive customer to this business. How exactly would they be out of the loop, pray tell?

            Would you? Of course not. I don't look to capitalism to self-regulate. But that doesn't mean they don't need regulation.

            1. Out of the loop in regard to the government funding the companies' research if the company funds the politicians campaign. It is this "pre-funding" that gives one company a leg up on the competition, at the tax payers expense. If the government wasn't allowed to fund research in private companies, while regulating their competition, then the market would be more competitive. The government should only be interested in the final produce for purchase in most of the cases. But politicians have their PREFERRED vendors, and they get special treatment, which throws off the market competition.

  3. With the unfocused targeting of the LRAD, I believe it shouldn't be allowed in any civilian situation, for the same reason civilian forces aren't allowed to use FRAG grenades, not way to control collateral damage of innocent bystanders. When we no longer care about hurting our innocent citizens in the attempt to the attempt to stop violent illegal protest, then we have become the as bad as the protesters. And if the protest hasn't become violent then violent means shouldn't be used to stop it. The police should never be the ones to escalate the situation, when they do it is a clear sign that we are moving to a true police state.

  4. A good one
    A girl invites her boyfriend over for supper and tells him afterwards she wud like to "do it". So the boy goes to the drugstore for protection and the pharmacist helps him in great length telling him all about protection and doing it and whatnot then asks him do you want the 3 pk or the 10 pack. The boy says to give him the 10 pk he plans to be very busy this nite! So the boy shows up at her house has good manners and volunteers to say grace. He bows his head and begins, this goes on for quite some time, finally after close to 10 minutes the girl leans over and whispers, " I had no idea u were this religious" the boys answers," I had no idea your father was a pharmacist"

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