Fan-Flippin’-Tastic!

So the Supreme court has come in on the Arizona law SB1070

SCOTUS rejected some parts, but allowed the police to be able to ask about immigration status.

My opinion is mixed, but find that the court’s decision is sound.

Let the rest of the country follow Arizona’s lead.

What say you?

 

 

Oh and this was also sent to me from ALIPAC

ALIPAC Welcomes Supreme Court Ruling on Arizona & Vows to Spread Law to More States

For Immediate National Release

June 25, 2012

Contact: Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC)
(866) 703-0864 WilliamG@alipac.us

Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC) is celebrating the decision of the US Supreme Court announced this morning which upholds the key component of Arizona’s enforcement only approach to deterring illegal immigration! ALIPAC is vowing to pass improved versions of Arizona’s law in more states as soon as possible, to protect American workers, students, taxpayers, and voters from illegal immigration.

“This Supreme Court ruling in our favor is an historic victory for Americans fighting against the corporate sponsored illegal alien invasion of our homeland,” said William Gheen President of ALIPAC. “This ruling is a great blow to the Mexican government and Barack Obama’s efforts to sustain the invasion. We believe that we now have the momentum to pass versions of Arizona’s SB 1070 law in many other states since the court upheld the most important provision in the bill!”

Americans for Legal Immigration PAC has over 40,000 national supporters and has helped to pass immigration enforcement laws in many states while stopping legislation designed to give taxpayer benefits like in-state tuition in more than 20 states. ALIPAC’s platform seeks to stop and reverse illegal immigration in America through the adequate enforcement of America’s existing border and immigration laws, instead of any changes in the law that would allow illegal aliens to form a new voting bloc that would destroy America.

“Obama has forced America into some new form of dictatorship to try to stop the mass exodus of illegal immigrants that should be following this ruling,” said William Gheen. “We plan to release new activist and legislation efforts in the coming weeks that will make it clear to illegal immigrants that departing the United States on their own volition as soon as possible, is their best course of action.”

National polls show that 81% of Americans support local police enforcing immigration laws and news reports indicate that illegal immigrants flee areas where local police can enforce immigration laws.

The Supreme Court did reject some of the other less important provisions in the Arizona law and ALIPAC found it disturbing to hear the same kind of illegal immigration supporting rhetoric used by globalists in the Obama and Bush administrations coming from some members of the court. They sound more concerned about illegal immigrants than suffering states, American workers and taxpayers.

For interviews or more information on ALIPAC’s plan to pass improved versions of Arizona’s law in more states please visit www.alipac.us

61 thoughts on “Fan-Flippin’-Tastic!

  1. I think, since states have control over business licenses, they ought to create a requirement that in order to get a business license, you have to use E-Verify. Then if you are caught hiring illegals, knowingly or unknowingly, you either lose your business license (hiring knowingly) or a hefty fine (unknowingly).

    We all know that illegals use stolen identities and fraudulent ID's. I think this would go a long way in stopping more from sneaking over for work.

    1. With respect to the rights of the states, I would like to see the ability to enact legislation to support the federal laws.Since immigration laws  deal with other nations, I can understand why the states are not permitted to meddle. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I can at least balance it with the Constitution.Legislation to require e-verify has to be carefully crafted to not overstep the bounds.  

      1. I'm sure there is a way to word it.

        "In support of our Nation's Laws and to limit situations that may encourage foreign nationals to break our laws, all persons or companies applying for a business license must provide annual proof that E-verify is being implemented for all new hires, before a business license will be issued or renewed."

    2. You know, they are really just wanting to work. I think it would be better for everyone to issue work permits and require them to pay taxes on the money they make here and also stop letting them use our schools and hosptials without having to pay their fair share.

      If you make it easy to come here and work, then the illegals would curtail drastically. Most of them would like to not break the law. Let them make their money and then go home. Only the ones up to no good wouldn't obey the new setup. What do you think of my idea?

      1. There are a lot of people that are “just wanting to work”. We have laws in place, we just need to enforce them.There are very few justifiable reasons to be in this country illegally. They are paying taxes and social security, they are getting the Earned Income Tax Credit when they shouldn't be, but there are revenues that they pay into and cannot collect, due to the numbers being stolen.”Most of them would like to not break the law.” then why do EACH of them break the law? None of them are innocent, though infants and children have no criminal intent with regards to the immigration law.

        1. Wait .. WHAT??
          Ya mean, If a bunch of "Criminal Illegal Aliens" are paying into "My" Social Security account (because they stole My Number), that I could be getting a BIGASS SS Check every month??
          ………. hmmmmmmmmmmm .. heh!

          1. I have long wondered how the SSA does the accounting on those…Mr Jimenez, it seems that you work seven jobs in four states.  We will let you have the retirement (now that you have become a citizen) for the income from your state, but the other state's contribution will be seized and used to pay down the debt.

      2. Maybe your 'idea' is not a perfect idea, but it is an idea nonetheless.

        … Or, as an alternative, how about we Absolutely Close The Borders for a period of 10 years (Which would entail bringing Our Troops home from other countries, where we have no business mucking around .. but that's another topic), and then Profile, Round-Up, and "Remove" ALL that don't belong here.

          1. 'tho it will never happen*, Extreme measures are often the only solution to Extreme problems.
            … * sadly – through complacency and outright TREASON (Evil in high – and not so high places), we have allowed this "once great nation" to devolve to a situation that has us 'circling The Abyss' at an ever increasing rate.

        1. Personally, considering how high our unemployment rates are, we need to quit importing ANYONE for at least 5 years. We need to secure BOTH of our borders before we attempt to deport anyone. And yes, our troops would probably love to serve inside their own country for a change!

            1. I see not securing the borders first kinda like pissing in the wind, yeah the relief is great, but it just causes another mess.

              I would love to deport all illegals, today. But until we secure the border, we will just be deporting the same ones, again, tomorrow.

              1. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"
                … However, it would necessitate a President and a Congress that Honored their Oath of office – that were interested in "Protecting and Defending" .. As opposed to the TRAITORS we have in power.

      3. That would be amnesty, I oppose it. They have broken the law, period. Changing the law after the fact doesn't change that. And "Let them make their money and then go home." is taking away jobs from American citizens that would keep the money and resources here, where it is needed. Especially right now.

        1. I'm writing this to you, Reality and Griz. They DO NOT pay their fair share of taxes. Most of them declare dependants of 15 to 20 so there is hardly any withholdings. then they do not pay income tax when the time rolls around in April. They do not use paid doctors or hospitals, they go to the free hospital services, using county money that they do not pay for. Their kids go to our public schools and since they don't pay property taxes, they do not pay for their kids education when they are here.

          1. I don't think I said that they paid their fair share, just that they paid. My comment was really looking at social security withholding.Why wouldn't they pay property taxes? (if they owned, and not rented)

            1. They pay no income tax because of the exemptions and they only pay 1/2 of social security, the employer pays the other half. So, what they pay is hardly anything respective to what everyone else pays.

              Usually, there is 15 to twenty living in the same house and the property owner pays the prperty tax. Since there is more than one family in the house their prorated share of that property tax is relatively small. We, americans who own our houses pay the bulk of the taxes for the schools and hospitals.

              1. “. . . and they only pay 1/2 of social security, the employer pays the other half. So, what they pay is hardly anything respective to what everyone else pays.”That is EXACTLY what we all pay.

                1. Many (at least in my area) don't pay that. They are either listed as contract labor so the "employer" expects them to file their own taxes, which they don't, or they are payed in cash so there is nothing to report.

          2. Not sure I have "Ever" said – nor even implied – that the "Criminal Illegal Aliens" (and other Mud-Cull-Vermin) have ever done anything except "Take and/or despoil what isn't theirs"
            Hell .. I am a big advocate of "Removing" ALL Mud-Cull-Vermin (And "ALL" of their evil spawn) from Our Society – regardless of when and whether 'they' snuck in here Illegally, or were brought here as slaves .. peh!

        2. Illegal, breaking the law, of course they are. Amnesty, NO SIR. This is just a work permit, no one says they will become US citizens. Bring your kids here and pay for them to go to school or they don't go. Mr. eyes, this is a fact. By in large, these men do jobs that we Americans will not do, period. They don't complain, they work as long as you want them and for minimum wage, they are glad to get it.

          Our system doesn't work. A twenty foot high fence wouldn't work. Figure out a plan that does and control what is happening is my suggestion.

          1. “Amnesty, NO SIR. This is just a work permit, no one says they will become US citizens.” can you slit the hair a little more? By deciding to not deport, then what is the REAL difference? just the lack of a little card. pop-whistle.They do jobs most American don't do… that is an old saw that just doesn't cut it any more.

            1. Old hat or not, it's the truth. Our people want more money and we work 40 hours want over time pay over 40. The illegals will take stright time pay 80 hours a week, without complaining. It's a matter of money. You can like it or not, but the fact remains as I describe. I am around this all the time. I speak enough Spanish that I know what they do. They assume I don't understand them (never assume anything about anyone.)

              I don't hire them myself, however, I have subcontractors who work for me that do. The INS shows up on a jobsite and loads them all up. In two days 3/4 of them will be back. In a weeks time nearly all of them are back. I have seen this many times.

              Now, what is your idea to fix this problem?

                1. We require validation of paper work. They have the stuff. It's fake and we can't prove it. The INS can and they haul them off. In the mean time we have deadlines to meet, liquidation damages to pay if we are late and we are not the police.

                  1. Works for me, stick an electric motor on it and call it a minigun. Does great for weed eating too, and cutting down small trees, and turning cars into scrap metal, etc, etc.

            2. I presume that you will say, not to hire the subs that do that. Unrealistic, I'm stuck with a price based on this method and I cannot spend more money than I have to do a contract. We have to survive. All of them will have social security cards and driver's license. It's hare to prove they are illegal. You can tell the SS numbers are fake but they pass review for the companies they work for. My company is trapped with having no choice. The sub might pay a fine, but they don't change in order to compete with their competors who do the same thing.

              1. The subs get caught once they are fined, twice they loose their licenses and are never allowed to have a commercial licenses in that state again. It worked for shipping companies that were hauling illegal loads, when it was just a fine they kept shipping because the loads paid enough to cover any fines they might get, when the DOT started pulling licenses they started checking loads and refusing illegal merchandise.

                  1. That's the problem with all "fine'em and keep goin'" laws. The company just ups the price to cover the fines and doesn't stop the action. It is just a money making racket for the government agencies. Emotions Control is one of the worst, the mills pay the fines and keep going because it would cost more to convert the smoke stacks to catalyst stacks than ten years of constant fines, meanwhile the people with older cars, that produce 1/100th the emissions of those mills, are getting slapped with fines and repair bills that they can't afford. If they could afford to fix their cars up they would be passing emissions to begin with.

          2. I call BS. I have heard the crap argument over and over about "Mexican will do the work that Americans refuse to do". It is BS!!!!!!! We have always done everything that needed to be done in this country, the difference is the employer can pay Jose $2.00 and hour to do it and if he complains the employer will threaten to call INS. So they keep their mouth shut and do the work for below minimum wage. If the employer hire a legal citizen he would have to pay at least minimum wage regardless of what the employee did because the government would know from the W-4 form.

            If they are here illegally, giving them ANY permit would be amnesty, BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY! The ONLY correct response is to arrest them, either prosecute them or "tag" them and deport them. I favor the latter, and they can't get legal entrance into the country for any reason for 10 years after deportation.

            And your right, our present system doesn't work. I am with Reality101 on this one. Bring our troops home, it is time the fight on our own soil took precedence over the fights on foreign soil. Secure our borders. If Mexico has a problem with it (which they always do) we should implement the exact same policy that they have on their southern border, shoot anyone that crosses anywhere other than a legal check point and leave the bodies to rot on the other side of the border. If it's good enough for Mexico, it's good enough for us, right?

            1. You're hired! $2.00/hr.

              I too used to think I could find US citizens to work and not hire them. That doesn't work. I have seen this in action for years. White boys don't like the hard work that the folks from Mexico will do without question. Mr. Eyes, it's a fact of life, whether you like it or not. I don't like it either.

              1. Try paying minimum wage instead of slave wages. I have worked for minimum wage cleaning out septic systems and hand digging trenches to bury pipe. I have friends that are still doing it, when they can find companies that aren't full of "undocumented" workers that are getting payed less than minimum wage.

                One trick my friends have come up with is to call INS on a company, then go in the next day and apply for a job. Works every time. Of course they get fired for "lack of work" two weeks later when the illegals get out and make their way back to the area.

                It is cheap ass employers that keep the illegals coming back. Nothing make a profit line stand out like charging a customer full price, then paying employees $2.00/hour and not having to keep worker comp payed because you don't have enough "documented" employees to require it.

            2. We do pay minimum wage, most of our work uses the Davis – Bacon wage rates which are higher thant the minimum. We do check that subs are paying that wage too.

              I agree with calling them cheap ass employers. I only made a suggestion to try to be a solution. Besides just killing them, what would you suggest?

              1. First secure our borders, with as many troops as needed, plus and extra 10% just for safety. Second, massive sweeps to arrest ALL people who are in the country illegally. Third, document all people arrested. Forth, deport them.

                Now, anyone illegally crossing the border is "shoot on sight". Any one applying to get into the country legally should be checked against the database created of deportees, If they are on it, they must wait ten years before they can enter the country, no exceptions. Otherwise the normal legal process.

                "Besides just killing them, what would you suggest?" Nothing, don't you think killing them would work? Only in the case of a true Zombie Apocalypse would killing them not work. If Mexico feels that is the right way for them to deal with illegal border crossing on their southern border, then why shouldn't we treat their northern border the same way.

      4. As one that has worked in the service industry for many years I can tell you the way they get around from paying taxes is they claim up to 10 on their W-4 and then never file for taxes… they go back home for a bit then come back and do it all over again with a new name. Even if they could do it legally, easily I do not foresee it fixing this problem.

        If they want to be here they need be invested in it, and you do that by going through the proper channels and yes if it means hiring an immigration lawyer then that is what they do.

        1. But they don't want to stay here, you know that. They want to make money from American companies and take it home to live in Mexico.

          I worked with a guy for four years, didn't know he was illegal till the day before he left to go back to Mexico. While he was here he got married and had three kids. When he left, he left them all behind, he told us they were his American family, he had a Mexican family with a wife and four kids. He had no more use for the American family because he had made enough money to live nicely in Mexico. He still has a few friends among my coworkers that he writes to, seems after he got back to Mexico he got a job as a policia. Sounds about right.

    3. This is where things get tough. Should we be using Social Security numbers — numbers that in theory equate solely to your government retirement benefit — to verify your status as an legal American?

      Or should we implement a Federal ID system? (No).

      There's gotta be a better middle ground. It's like using the DMV as the database to verify your home address, not what it was intended for.

      1. I have long been opposed to a federal ID system, but I think it was just from the teachings of my father.
        We see the social security numbers being so heavily abused, we really need them to be forbidden to be gathered and used the way that they are.

        I don't have an answer though, and it seems that nobody else really does either without getting into some sticky privacy issues.

        1. I have always been an advocate for using the Department of Drivers Services for this purpose. It is a ready made photo ID shop. Of course they would have to step up to only issuing IDs to legal citizens, this would kill two birds with one stone. They would also have to issue state IDs for those unable to drive. The problems with that are; One, like you I don't like the idea of a federal registry even if it is administered by the states, but it comes down to the lesser of the two evils. And two, some people still don't want to be on a registry and shouldn't be made to be. But then again, the lesser of two evils.

      2. My SS card is old enough to say "Not a form of ID"

        I don't give my number out except when it relates to money flow, like banks, loans or employment, retirement accounts, that sort of stuff. If someone else asks for it, I don't give it. Even my new patient forms at the Dr ask for it. I have an insurance ID number, they don't need my SSN. Neither does Comcast or NW Natural.

        I hate the thought of a federal ID program, but perhaps if DL or state ID cards are only given to people who can prove they are either born here or have become a citizen, that might solve some problems.
        No matter what the government tries to make us believe, diving is not a right, nor is obtaining a state issued ID card.

  2. "Sounds" good .. But, with 0bammy and the other GLMDWs being able to just TREASONOUSLY sneak around the Law (If 0bammy can thumb his nose at Congress, what makes you think he can't do the same to that other pesky branch), I am skeptical – 'tho "cautiously hopeful"

  3. The CIA had an opening for an assassin.

    After all the background checks, interviews and testing were done, there were 3 finalists — two men and a woman.

    For the final test, the CIA agents took one of the men to a large metal door and handed him a gun.
    'We must know that you will follow your instructions no matter what the circumstances.
    Inside the room you will find your wife sitting In a chair … . . Kill her!!'
    The man said, 'You can't be serious. I could never shoot my wife.'
    The agent said, 'Then you're not the right man for this job. Take your wife and go home.'

  4. The second man was given the same instructions. He took the gun and went into the room. All was quiet for about 5 minutes. The man came out with tears in his eyes, 'I tried, but I can't kill my wife.'
    The agent said, 'You don't have what it takes. Take your wife and go home.'

    Finally, it was the woman's turn. She was given the same instructions, to kill her husband. She took the gun and went into the room. Shots were heard, one after another. They heard screaming, crashing, banging on the walls. After a few minutes, all was quiet. The door opened slowly and there stood the woman, wiping the sweat from her brow.

    'This gun is loaded with blanks' she said. 'I had to beat him to death with the chair.'

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